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A Challenge from Os

Posted on February 26, 2020 Written by Mark McIntyre 2 Comments

I was challenged by this paragraph and thought I would share it:

The faith-world of John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, John Jay, William Wilberforce, Hannah More, Lord Shaftsbury, Catherine Booth, Hudson Taylor, D. L. Moody, Charles Spurgeon, Oswald Chambers, Andrew Murray, Carl Henry, and John Stott is disapearing. In its place a new evangelicalism is arriving in which therapeutic self-concern overshadows knowing God, spirituality displaces theology, end-times escapism crowds out our day-to-day discipleship, marketing triumphs over mission, references to opinion polls outweigh reliance on biblical exposition, concerns for power and relevance are more obvious than concern for piety and faithfulness, talk of reinventing the church has replaced prayer for revival, and the charateristic evangelical passion for missionary enterprise is overpowered by the all-consuming drive to sustain the multiple business empires of the booming evangelical subculture.”

Os Guinness in Prophetic Untimeliness

Well said. There is much in this for church leaders to consider and discuss.

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Os Guinness on Progressivism

Posted on February 22, 2020 Written by Mark McIntyre 2 Comments

I thought I would offer another quotation from Os Guinness because it hits on something that has been bothering me about much of the drive to grow very large churches. Mr. Guinness writes:

“For those who subscribe to ‘progressivism’ . . . progress by definition is good, always good, self-evidently good, unquestionably good. Reaction, by definition, is bad. The world is getting better and better. Whatever is is not only right but a great deal better than what was. And of course, whatever is next must be a great deal better still. The word ‘progress’ simlply makes it so and tells us so. We are not asked to think. We are not even given the opportunity or the criteria to judge for ourselves. If it’s progressive, by definition it must be good. If it’s reactionary, it obviously must be bad, and that’s the end of it. Discussion over.”

Os Guinness in Prophetic Untimeliness

We expect this type of thinking from political progressives, but unfortunately, this thinking has crept into the church.

In some churches, the words tradition or traditional are used in a pejorative sense. Anything that smacks of tradition is considered harmful to the desire to grow a large church. And since bigger is always better, tradition cannot be good.

In such churches the parable of new wine into old wineskins (Matthew 9:17) is reinterpreted to mean that old is automatically bad and new is automatically good. I will leave it for another post to present my thoughts on what this verse is really saying.

Using the mindset that new is automatically better, leaders can then find an excuse to ignore denominational boundaries and violate their oaths to follow constitutional guidelines. But every institution, including the church, has a process for its bylaws or constitution to be amended. The problem is that progressives are often unwilling to follow that process because it takes too much effort and takes too long.

I am not advocating a slavish adherence to tradition. Constitutions can be amended. Traditions can and should be reevaluated to determine if they are helpful in the current cultural context. But there is an appropriate process for these amendments and reevaluations to follow.

In the church, the why we do things should always be determined before the how we do things. In the church, the why should always be drawn from Scripture and not from a pragmatism that is based on increased attendance or increased contributions.

New is not always better.

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Theology vs. Experience?

Posted on February 17, 2020 Written by Mark McIntyre Leave a Comment

There are some who would downplay theology and doctrine in favor of renewed experience of the power of God. “It’s not about doctrine” is a phrase that I’ve heard a few times within Christian circles.

I found this quote from Tim Keller helpful when thinking about theology vs. experience:

“We are not called to choose between a Christian life based on truth and doctrine or a life filled with spiritual power and experience. They go together. I was not being called to leave behind my theology and launch out to look for ‘something more,’ for experience. Rather, I was meant to ask the Holy Spirit to help me experience my theology.”

Timothy Keller in Prayer: Experiencing Awe and Intimacy with God.

While it is correct to say that doctrine is a means to an end and not an end in itself, it must be kept clear as to what the proper end is. The proper end is a deeper relationship with God that is founded on the truth of who he is and what Jesus accomplished through his death and resurrection.

Every good relationship is founded on truth, why would our relationship with God be any different?

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On the pursuit of relevance

Posted on February 13, 2020 Written by Mark McIntyre Leave a Comment

I read this paragraph this morning and thought I’d share it with you.

“By our uncritical pursuit of relevance we have actually courted irrelevance; by our breathless chase after relevance without a matching commitment to faithfulness, we have become not only unfaithful but irrelevant; by our determined efforts to redefine ourselves in ways that are more compelling to the modern world than are faithful to Christ, we have lost not only our identity but our authority and our relevance. Our crying need is to be faithful as well as relevant.”

Os Guinness in Prophetic Untimeliness

Perhaps I have misread or misunderstood church history, but it seems to me that the church did not grow because it crafted its message to be palatable to the surrounding culture.

The church grew, not because it emulated the surrounding culture, but because it faithfully presented the message of the cross to that culture. The Apostle Paul went so far as to say,

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 2:2

While I think there is nothing inherently wrong with wailing guitar solos and smoke machines as part of the worship experience, perhaps we should pump the brakes on the drive to make worship like a rock concert and the sermon like a motivational seminar.

Content has to be the first priority.

Is what happens on Sunday faithful to Scripture? Are we pushing ourselves to face the sin in our hearts while also proclaiming the grace of Jesus Christ which overcomes our sin? Is our “worship” experience actually causing us to be more holy or does it just make us feel better?

Is the cross at the center of our message or merely a backlit decoration on the wall?

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