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It’s a matter of perspective – reaction to the angry atheists

Posted on January 30, 2013 Written by Mark McIntyre 5 Comments

It is an over simplification, but the work of some popular atheist writers can be summed up in the phrase, “God does not exist and I hate him.” The God they deny is presented as a vengeful and capricious dictator along the lines of Nero. Passages from the Old Testament are pulled from their context to support the notion that God is a monster and should be hated. The tone of these writers is often one of anger or disgust.

This is a very different view from the way that Jesus represented his Father. In Luke 15, Jesus presents an image of God as a loving father who is watching and waiting for his wayward son to return. When the son eventually comes back, the father greets him with rejoicing rather than reproach. The son comes home expecting a tongue lashing but instead finds himself the focus of celebration.

Perspective

The church can unwittingly reinforce the negative view of God by presenting the Christian life as one of rule keeping. When Christianity is reduced to a set of do’s and don’ts, the implication is that God is watching and keeping score. When in reality, God does not keep score and it is the church members that are watching.

The primary thing that believers can do in response to the claims of the angry atheists is to continue to walk in relationship to God and live out the claims of the Gospel.

Paul tells us in Romans 1:16, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes.” (NASB) The salvation to which Paul refers is not a one-time event such as buying a lifetime membership to a shopping club. Salvation is an ongoing process of reclaiming the territory lost to the Enemy in the fall. Elsewhere Paul uses the analogy of clothing to describe this; we are to put off the old man and put on Christ, like we put on and take off garments.

Living out the claims of the Gospel means being loving when attacked. It means being patient with those who are irreverent toward God. It may mean that we suffer real persecution for our beliefs. In short, it means that we respond to the world around us the way we see Jesus responding to it in the Gospels.

Recently, a commentor on this blog correctly pointed out that we cannot argue anyone into the Kingdom of God. Those who have the perception of God as an angry and vengeful bully will not be persuaded by quoting Scripture or well reasoned arguments. The only thing that may break through is a life lived in imitation of Jesus.

A line that I heard a while back comes to mind, “you may be the only gospel that your neighbor reads.” It is by living out the truth of the Gospel that we can provide the correct perspective on who God is. We are called to represent him well, as did our example, Jesus.

Filed Under: Apologetics, Atheism Tagged With: angry, atheist, both ways, look, perspective

PA Atheist Files Complaint Against Restaurant Over Church Bulletin Discount

Posted on July 4, 2012 Written by Mark McIntyre Leave a Comment

BulletinAn article in the Christian Post causes me to ask some questions. I’m not sure of the legal standing of such a complaint, but for me this does not seem like a case of illegal discrimination. The full CP article can be found here:  Pa. Atheist Files Complaint Against Restaurant Over Church Bulletin Discount.

Imagine that a prominent atheist like Richard Dawkins wants to sponsor a contest where the winner gets a million dollars for the best essay entitled “Why I am an Atheist.” This contest would exclude me because I am a theist and I would not be willing to pretend that I am an atheist. Is this discrimination against me? In a sense it is, but in my mind,  the person putting up the money has the right to place whatever stipulations he wants on where and how he gives his money away.

Every day there are contests which require certain behaviors to earn entry into the contest. Tweet this, like that, write a comment, etc. etc. etc. Are these discrimination? Yes, but I can make a choice as to whether I would like to participate. To participate, I must follow the instructions and perform the prescribed actions to qualify for the contest.

Many businesses use coupons or advertisements which offer discounts to customers when the coupon or ad is brought into the store. The business owner makes a business decision to discount his product to lure in more customers.

In addition, every business owner needs to determine his target market. No business can be all things to all people. A restaurant, in particular, must determine what type of customer they want to attract. Hooters is working to draw in a very different customer than Chuck E Cheese. This is business 101.

For a restaurant to make a choice that they would like to attract church attenders to come for Sunday dinner is a legitimate business strategy. What better way to do this than to use the church bulletin discount. In my mind this is no more discriminatory than a grocery store refusing to give me the discount if I do not have the coupon or my store discount card.

I’d like to make a suggestion to my atheist friend who filed this complaint. When I go to the store and there is a sale item, often the customer service agent or another shopper will have an extra coupon. I’m sure if you asked a few of the “church going” people if they had an extra bulletin, one could easily be produced. On any given Sunday we could probably find 3 or 4 in our various Bibles.

Also, after filing such a complaint, you better leave a big tip.

Filed Under: Atheism Tagged With: atheist

A lesson learned from angry atheists

Posted on June 12, 2012 Written by Mark McIntyre 5 Comments

AngryRecently I had a chance to interact with some atheists in response to a post I had written for Bravefaith.org. While I did not intend it this way, some of what I had written came off as “insulting and hate inducing” according to one of the commenters. I did not do a good job of understanding their point of view before writing the post. The comments helped me better understand why they are angry.

In response to angry atheists we are tempted to sit back and smugly quote what the Apostle Paul says (1 Corinthians 2:14) about the natural man not understanding the things of God. Yet, the truth of this verse does not relieve us of the responsibility to reach out to those who are angry with us and with God to seek to understand the anger and engage it in a loving manner. We must resist the temptation to lob truth missiles over the wall hoping that they hit the target.

One lesson I learned from my interaction at Bravefaith is that the organized church has much to answer for and some of the anger of the atheist is justified. If we are going to reach out to those who have been alienated from religion, we need to own up to the failings of ourselves and our churches. While we cannot resolve all of the anger, we can resolve the part that is caused by our inappropriate behavior. We can confess and ask forgiveness where we have given offense.

In Matthew 5:23, Jesus tells us that if we are on the way to worship and remember that our brother has something against us, that we should make it right before attempting to worship. It may be that the way we interact (or don’t interact) with our community is affecting the way we worship. Our offering of worship may be neglected by God because we have not sought to be reconciled to our neighbor.

AngryPerhaps if we have more of a spirit of repentance and mourning and less of an attitude of moral rectitude we might be in a better position to speak into the lives of those with whom we disagree. I believe that a better awareness of, and honesty about, our own failings, doubts and stupidity would put us in a better position to speak the truth in love.

This does not mean that we cannot offer correction when it is appropriate and needed. We need to engage faulty reasoning in a loving, reasonable manner. For example the claims of atheists that Hitler was a Christian are preposterous and need to be addressed.

No matter how lovingly we present truth, some will be offended by the Gospel. Some will reject the gospel because they refuse to submit to God. Some will refuse to give up their sinful lifestyle. Some will seek to stand firm in their own perceived goodness. But let us be sure that it is the Gospel that is the offense and not the manner in which we present it.

One of the complaints that I’ve heard is that too often Christians try to jam the gospel down someone’s throat. Yes, we have the responsibility to present the gospel, but I cannot find any instance where Jesus forced truth on someone who was not prepared to hear it. A wise lady once told me that Jesus is a gentleman; he does not force himself on anyone.

We cannot lose sight of the fact that those angry atheists are people for whom Christ died. We are no better; they are no worse. Before we respond to the anger, we should listen to understand its source. It is my hope that by listening and understanding we can then speak truth into the situation in a loving way.

Filed Under: Apologetics, Atheism Tagged With: anger, atheism, atheist, Christian, Church, God, Gospel, honesty, Jesus

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