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It is not blind faith

Posted on December 22, 2015 Written by Mark McIntyre 1 Comment

God's Undertaker

In response to the idea that religious faith is blind faith, I ran across this paragraph from John Lennox and thought I would share it with you.

“Unfortunately the two ideas – that all religious faith is blind faith and that science does not involve faith – are so deeply ingrained in the New Atheist’s psyche and thus so widely disseminated int heir writings that we need to emphasize strongly that they are wrong. John Haught writes: ‘At some point in the validation of every truth claim or hypothesis, a leap of faith is an inescapable ingredient. At the foundation of every human search for understanding and truth, including the scientific search, an ineradicable element of trust is present. If you find yourself doubting what I have just said, it is only because, at this very moment, you trust your own mind enough to express concern about my assertion. You cannot avoid trusting your intellectual capacity, even when you are in doubt. Moreover you raise your critical questions only because you believe that truth is worth seeking. Faith in this sense, and not in the sense of wild imaginings and wishful thinking, lies at the root of all authentic religion – and science. Haught rightly concludes that this ‘shows clearly that the new atheistic attempts to cleanse human consciousness of faith are absurd and doomed to failure.”

John Lennox in God’s Undertaker

We do not believe in spite of facts to the contrary; ours is not a blind faith. We believe in response to the evidence that is presented to us. Those who do not choose this interpretation see the facts differently. I cannot force anyone to see things the way I see them. The fact that they see it differently does not cause me to think less of them as individuals.

But on the other hand, I would hope that everyone would experience the grace that is found in Jesus Christ.

Filed Under: Bible Reflection Tagged With: atheist, blind, Faith, science

Roy Abraham Varghese on the “New Atheism”

Posted on September 13, 2014 Written by Mark McIntyre 1 Comment

There is a GodAt the foundation of the “new atheism” is the belief that there is no God, no eternal and infinite Source of all that exists. This is the key belief that needs to be established in order for most of the other arguments to work. Int is my contention here that the “new atheists,” Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Lewis Wolpert, Sam Harris, and Victor Stenger, not only fail to make a case for this belief, but ignore the very phenomena that are particularly relevant to the question of whether God exists.

As I see it, five phenomena are evident in our immediate experience that can only be explained in terms of the existence of God. These are, first, the rationality implicit in all our experience of the physical world; second, life, the capacity to act autonomously; third, consciousness, the ability to be aware; fourth, conceptual thought, the power of articulating and understanding meaningful symbols such as are embedded in lanuage; and fifth, the human self, the “center” of consciousness, thought, and action.

Three things should be said about these phenomena and their application to the existence of God. First, we are accustomed to hearing about arguments and proofs for God’s existence. In my view, such arguments are useful in articulating certain fundamental insights, but cannot be regarded as “proofs” whose formal validity determines whether there is a God. Rather, each of the five phenomena adduced here, int heir own way, presuppose the existence of an infinite, eternal Mind. God is the condition that underlies all that is self-evident in our experience. Second, as should be ovbious from the previous point, we are not talking about probabilities and hypotheses, but about encounters with fundamental realities that cannot be denied without self-contradiction. In other words, we don’t apply probability theorems to certain sets of data, but consider the far more basic question of how it is possible to evaluate data at all. Equally, it is not a matter of deducing God from the existence of certain complex phenomena. Rather, God’s existence is presupposed by all phenomena. Third, atheists, new and old, have coplained that there is no evidence for God’s existence, and some theists have responded that our free will can be preserved only if suce evidence is non-coercive. The approach taken here is that we have all the evidence we need in our immediate experience and that only a deliberate refusal to “look” is responsible for atheism of any variety.

Roy Abraham Varghese in There is a God – How the world’s most notorius atheist changed his mind.

I am reminded of the Apostle Paul’s words in Romans 1:18 where he informs us that the problem of those who don’t believe is not a lack of evidence, but the suppression of it.

Filed Under: Quotation Tagged With: atheism, atheist, Flew, God

A response to Hungry Atheist

Posted on September 18, 2013 Written by Mark McIntyre 3 Comments

On July 9 of this year, I wrote a post entitled, A follow-up to some comments. One of the comments I received on that post was from someone calling himself (or herself) Hungry Atheist. I thought that I would selectively quote the comment and provide response to the points that were raised in that comment. I want to thank Hungry Atheist for taking the time to comment in a thoughtful and respectful manner.

Friendly ResponseSpecifically, I see a potential contradiction in your final three paragraphs. In the one, you admit that the status quo has no value in and of itself. But in the following paragraph, you seem to reverse this opinion by being saddened that America is leaving its Christian heritage.

I’m uncertain what your primary message is: does the status quo (philosophical underpinnings, historical roots, what-have-you) have value, or doesn’t it? You’re suggesting two different things. Now, if I may – and I could be wrong on this – my impression is that you want to believe the Christian roots of your country are important, while you simultaneously want to believe the conflicting argument that traditions are not justifiable simply because they are traditions.

I think that the philosophical underpinnings have value because they are rooted in truth. They do not have value just because they are traditions or were the status quo. For example, if I held a tradition that the Earth is flat, that tradition would have no value because it is rooted in a falsehood. The real question is whether the underpinnings are true or false, not whether they were traditional or widely held.

Does putting a Christian prayer on the wall of a public high school show government preference towards a particular religion? It may or may not, but whatever the case, it is certainly not a simple question. And in this case, the courts sided with Jessica.

I agree that the courts sided with Jessica and I think the Christian community has to be willing to allow the court to make this decision. The benefit of living in a pluralistic society comes at the cost of giving up some opportunities for free expression.

I would also like to mention the difficulty in saying something like, “the only places in the world where democracy and freedom are experienced are countries that once held a Christian heritage.” First, Christian heritage is a colonial artifact. As you subsequently note, whenever the church has acquired political power, the results have been disastrous. One of those disasters was colonialization itself, in which Christianity spread across the globe like a plague.

A plague not because Christianity was bad or evil, but because the people who spread it so frequently were (by modern standards) downright nasty towards the Indigenous, and because, quite literally, plagues were one of the single-most powerful weapons of the colonizer.

Thus, you cannot really attribute modern democratization to Christianity any more than you can attribute it to colonization or, related, slavery itself (as slavery and trade were two of the major reasons colonization took place, in addition to the advance of Christianity).

I will agree that colonialization and evangelization were too often entangled and the result was confusion of what it means to be a true Christian. That being said, there were also many who did bring the good news of Jesus Christ to indigenous people in a way that was respectful of their culture; Hudson Taylor comes to mind as an example of this.

On that note, also recall that there was an entire civilization of people native to your country before European settlers ever set foot on it.

Your country owes at least as much of its development to Native Americans as it does to the Europeans, if not more. I live in Canada where this is an even more significant point than in the United States, as without our First Nations, the Europeans would never have survived the first winter – they would have died from the elements or scurvy or both (and many did).

Granted that our handling of native Americans was often wrong. I would argue that the abuse of the native Americans was not about religion, but about land ownership and ethnic prejudice.

Moreover, while you advance the argument that democracy and freedom owes itself to a Christian heritage, I will advance the argument that both derive from secular development.

The most free and democratic societies on Earth also have the highest instances of secularism and, indeed, atheism in the world (I refer here specifically to organic atheism. Just as you would not support a theocracy, I would never support a government that demands atheism). Whether you look at Japan, South Korea (which, incidentally, does not have Christian roots), nearly any of the Scandinavian or Western-European countries, or even our beloved North America, all of these great nations are highly secular.

When we compare religiosity to various social benchmarks, such as instances of rape, infant-mortality, equality, poverty, and so on, what we find is that as religiosity goes up, so too does rape, poverty, etc. As religiosity goes down, life is better for all members of society.

In any period of time throughout history that I am aware of, in which a particular religion was dogmatic and had political control (these caveats are important), we see some of the worst abuses of human cruelty imaginable. When secularism is advanced, we tend to get democracy and freedom.

Two thoughts come to mind. My experience of the church has been that there is a big difference between religion as a set of dogmas and rituals and Christianity rooted in relationship to God through Jesus Christ. Secondly, it is inappropriate to lump all religions together. On the surface, they may seem to speak to the same issues, each religion makes exclusive claims to truth that are incompatible with the other religions.

Specifically with regard to Christianity, while abuses have been perpetrated by some who claim to be Christian, on the whole, the works of charity and love practiced by Christians in obedience to their Christ have made significant positive impact in the societies in which they practiced these deeds. While this does not nullify the evil that has been done, it should, however, put it in perspective. The abuse of a few does not negate the positive impact of the many.

As a final point, I would like to clear up one more word that may not be appropriate, which is whether or not the prayer was “offensive.” I really can’t speak for Jessica on this one, but I get the impression that the major issue was not that the prayer was offensive. Rather, I *think* the better term might be exclusive.

Allow me to explain.

Imagine a plaque on the wall that has nothing more than a plain white background, a nice frame, and the following words:

“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.”

I don’t think this message would be met with much resistance, because it’s an especially profound quote and particularly applicable to a school setting. If, however, this was what the plaque had said, it would change the context significantly:

“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.” – Proverbs 18:15

Barring any especially mindful non-Christians that recognized the context of the first plaque, the difference is that the second one – to an outsider’s perspective – suggests exclusion.

It’s as though to agree with the second plaque one would also have to accept the source of the message, in which case many do not.

Now, you may argue – probably correctly – that this should not happen, as the message need not be exclusive in this way. However, this does not change the fact that many outsiders *will* feel excluded by it. The result is not the same as the intent.

Let’s draw another comparison to illustrate how this *might* affect you. Suppose there was another plaque we could choose from, which read as follows:

“Let us try to teach generosity and altruism.”

This is another example of a particularly profound and, I think, universally acceptable quotation. However, how does it alter its reception with the addition:

“Let us try to teach generosity and altruism.” – Richard Dawkins

How would you personally feel if this plaque, attributed to Dawkins, was placed on a public high school wall? Truthfully, it may not even bother you; you may be able to appreciate it simply for its elegance and the beauty of the message.

But perhaps you might be able to empathize a little better with the people that, I think rightly, would feel excluded by it, simply because of the associations it has with a very particular worldview.

In none of these cases is the issue that the message itself is offensive, nor is the issue with the message at all. Rather, it is always about a perceived sense of inclusion vs. exclusion, which is precisely why the First Amendment exists. That is, to prevent the government from showing any kind of preference (whether perceived or real, in my opinion) for any particular belief.

I hope that helps. Thanks again for the follow-up.

It does help and thanks for the discussion. Two last thoughts come to mind. We Christians are commanded to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). While you may disagree with the truth part, I hope that what I have written is in love, I am certainly not intending to cause offense. Secondly, we are commanded to give our answers with “gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15) which is also my intent. You have certainly responded in gentleness and respect; I appreciate the dialog.

Filed Under: Apologetics, Atheism Tagged With: apologetics, atheism, atheist, Religion

A follow-up to some comments

Posted on July 9, 2013 Written by Mark McIntyre 13 Comments

U Turn PermittedIn February of last year (2012), I published a post entitled “The temptation of anger in response to militant atheism.” That post received a number of comments from those who challenged some of my assertions. The commentors also asked some very good questions. In this post, I attempt to answer some of the challenges and questions.

Let me begin by thanking the commentors for the civility in their responses. While I think that my opinions are reasonable (or else why bother to post them?), I have no delusions that I have all the truth or that my thinking is not, nor ever could ever be tainted by illogic. I appreciate both the dialog and the respectful tone throughout the comments.

In considering my previous post, I regret the use of the term “militant” to describe the actions of Jessica Ahlquist and others who would identify themselves as atheists. As the commentors pointed out, the term carries connotations that are not helpful in the midst of civil discourse. For this I ask forgiveness of my readers. I want the focus of my writing to be on ideas without being incendiary or antagonistic.

My struggle is in finding a suitable term to convey my thoughts. Other terms like aggressive, evangelistic or offensive also carry negative connotations. My choice of the word militant was intended to describe an atheism is that is seeking to change the mind or behavior of others. It is not passive atheism, therefore I propose to use the term “active” in lieu of the word “militant” in any future dialog on this subject.

A second point of clarification. The focus of the post was to challenge Christians to rethink their response to Jessica. I am often embarrassed by the hateful responses of Christians to those with whom they disagree. When Christians respond in anger, they cease to be like the one by whose name they identify themselves. In fact, the only group to which Jesus ever expressed any anger was the religious leaders of his day.

When I wrote the post, it did not cross my mind that those who sympathize with Jessica’s actions would be reading and commenting. I am thankful that they did read it and took the time to comment.

I agree that the status quo has no value in and of itself. The current situation may be good or bad and there is nothing inherently wrong with a challenge to the status quo. Truth should always triumph over error.

That being said, it saddens me to see that we, as a country, are leaving the philosophical underpinnings that provide the very freedom on which Jessica’s challenge is based. Even a casual observer can see that the only places in the world where democracy and freedom are experienced are countries that once had a Christian heritage.

Yes, I am aware that when the church has gotten political power, it has gone badly for both the church and the world around her. I am not in favor of any form of theocracy. I am glad that I live in a country where someone like Jessica can challenge something that she finds offensive, even if I do not understand how the prayer could be construed as being so.

 

Filed Under: Atheism Tagged With: atheism, atheist, comment, dialog

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