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Shaw on Civil and Religious Liberty

Posted on January 25, 2016 Written by Mark McIntyre 1 Comment

LibertyMy previous post highlighted a quote from Robert Shaw’s commentary on the Westminster Confession of Faith (download PDF version) which I have been reading. I found another paragraph in that work that I would like to share with you.

“The civil government appears to be impelled by something like infatuation, and is introducing, or giving countenance to, measures that are darkly ominous to both civil and religious liberty, as if hastening onward to a crisis which all may shudder to contemplate. The masses of the community are in a state ripe for any convulsion, however terrible, having been left for generations uneducated and uninstructed in religious truth.”

Does this resonate with you? It certainly did with me.

Shaw’s work was first published in 1845 and was written in Scotland where he was a Presbyterian minister. I heard Malcolm Muggeridge quoted as saying, “new news is old news happening to new people.” The point being that we face the same issues over and over again.

It is both comforting and chilling to think that in 1845 Shaw highlighted issues in his social climate that we are facing today. It is comforting in that we are not alone, nor are we facing a brand new challenge.

It is chilling that even a casual examination of our situation reveals the lack of progress brought about by civil government.

I live in a country that is increasingly intolerant of Christianity and is inching (slowly at this point) toward some form of totalitarian state. But even as I watch our freedom being eroded, I am reminded that God remains in control and whatever the outcome, it will be in accordance with his plan.

The one thing that can reverse our current trajectory toward a totalitarian state is a spiritual awakening. As Shaw points out, one of the contributing factors to the loss of civil and religious liberty was ignorance of religious truth. The church failed in the mission to make true disciples.

Yet, from Shaw’s time until our own, there have always been those who have faithfully proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ through word and action. This has been done under various forms of government that range from democratic to despotic.

If the church (regardless of denominational affiliation) takes seriously its mission to make disciples and properly instruct them in Biblical truth, then we can be used by God to bring about the revival that we so desperately need.

What do you think? Whether you agree or disagree, I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts on this. Please use the comment section below to share your opinion.

Filed Under: Quotation Tagged With: civil, disciple, government, liberty, Religion, religious

Louis Berkhof on the origin of religion

Posted on February 26, 2014 Written by Mark McIntyre 2 Comments

Summary of Christian DoctrineParticular attention was devoted during the last fifty years to the problem of the origin of religion. Repeated attempts were made to give a natural explanation of it, but without success. Some spoke of it as an invention of cunning and deceptive priests, who regarded it as an easy source of revenue; but this explanation is entirely discredited now. Others held that it began with the worship of lifeless objects (fetishes), or with the worship of spirits, possibly the spirits of forefathers. But this is no explanation, since the question remains, How did people ever hit up on the idea of worshipping lifeless or living objects? Still others were of the opinion that religion originated in nature – worship, that is, the worship of the marvels and powers of nature, or in the widespread practice of magic. But these theories do not explain any more than the others how non-religious man ever became religious. They all start out with a man who is already religious.

The Bible gives the only reliable account of the origin of religion. It informs us of the existence of God, the only object worthy of religious worship. Moreover, it comes to us with the assurance that God, whom man could never discover with his natural powers, revealed himself in nature and, more especially, in His divine Word, demands the worship and service of man, and also determines the worship and service that is well-pleasing to Him. And, finally, it teaches us that God created man in His own image, and thus endowed him with a capacity to understand, and to respond to, this revelation, and engendered in him a natural urge to seek communion with God and to glorify Him.

-Louis Berkhof – A Summary of Christian Doctrine

Filed Under: Quotation Tagged With: doctrine, nature, origin, Religion, revelation

A response to Hungry Atheist

Posted on September 18, 2013 Written by Mark McIntyre 3 Comments

On July 9 of this year, I wrote a post entitled, A follow-up to some comments. One of the comments I received on that post was from someone calling himself (or herself) Hungry Atheist. I thought that I would selectively quote the comment and provide response to the points that were raised in that comment. I want to thank Hungry Atheist for taking the time to comment in a thoughtful and respectful manner.

Friendly ResponseSpecifically, I see a potential contradiction in your final three paragraphs. In the one, you admit that the status quo has no value in and of itself. But in the following paragraph, you seem to reverse this opinion by being saddened that America is leaving its Christian heritage.

I’m uncertain what your primary message is: does the status quo (philosophical underpinnings, historical roots, what-have-you) have value, or doesn’t it? You’re suggesting two different things. Now, if I may – and I could be wrong on this – my impression is that you want to believe the Christian roots of your country are important, while you simultaneously want to believe the conflicting argument that traditions are not justifiable simply because they are traditions.

I think that the philosophical underpinnings have value because they are rooted in truth. They do not have value just because they are traditions or were the status quo. For example, if I held a tradition that the Earth is flat, that tradition would have no value because it is rooted in a falsehood. The real question is whether the underpinnings are true or false, not whether they were traditional or widely held.

Does putting a Christian prayer on the wall of a public high school show government preference towards a particular religion? It may or may not, but whatever the case, it is certainly not a simple question. And in this case, the courts sided with Jessica.

I agree that the courts sided with Jessica and I think the Christian community has to be willing to allow the court to make this decision. The benefit of living in a pluralistic society comes at the cost of giving up some opportunities for free expression.

I would also like to mention the difficulty in saying something like, “the only places in the world where democracy and freedom are experienced are countries that once held a Christian heritage.” First, Christian heritage is a colonial artifact. As you subsequently note, whenever the church has acquired political power, the results have been disastrous. One of those disasters was colonialization itself, in which Christianity spread across the globe like a plague.

A plague not because Christianity was bad or evil, but because the people who spread it so frequently were (by modern standards) downright nasty towards the Indigenous, and because, quite literally, plagues were one of the single-most powerful weapons of the colonizer.

Thus, you cannot really attribute modern democratization to Christianity any more than you can attribute it to colonization or, related, slavery itself (as slavery and trade were two of the major reasons colonization took place, in addition to the advance of Christianity).

I will agree that colonialization and evangelization were too often entangled and the result was confusion of what it means to be a true Christian. That being said, there were also many who did bring the good news of Jesus Christ to indigenous people in a way that was respectful of their culture; Hudson Taylor comes to mind as an example of this.

On that note, also recall that there was an entire civilization of people native to your country before European settlers ever set foot on it.

Your country owes at least as much of its development to Native Americans as it does to the Europeans, if not more. I live in Canada where this is an even more significant point than in the United States, as without our First Nations, the Europeans would never have survived the first winter – they would have died from the elements or scurvy or both (and many did).

Granted that our handling of native Americans was often wrong. I would argue that the abuse of the native Americans was not about religion, but about land ownership and ethnic prejudice.

Moreover, while you advance the argument that democracy and freedom owes itself to a Christian heritage, I will advance the argument that both derive from secular development.

The most free and democratic societies on Earth also have the highest instances of secularism and, indeed, atheism in the world (I refer here specifically to organic atheism. Just as you would not support a theocracy, I would never support a government that demands atheism). Whether you look at Japan, South Korea (which, incidentally, does not have Christian roots), nearly any of the Scandinavian or Western-European countries, or even our beloved North America, all of these great nations are highly secular.

When we compare religiosity to various social benchmarks, such as instances of rape, infant-mortality, equality, poverty, and so on, what we find is that as religiosity goes up, so too does rape, poverty, etc. As religiosity goes down, life is better for all members of society.

In any period of time throughout history that I am aware of, in which a particular religion was dogmatic and had political control (these caveats are important), we see some of the worst abuses of human cruelty imaginable. When secularism is advanced, we tend to get democracy and freedom.

Two thoughts come to mind. My experience of the church has been that there is a big difference between religion as a set of dogmas and rituals and Christianity rooted in relationship to God through Jesus Christ. Secondly, it is inappropriate to lump all religions together. On the surface, they may seem to speak to the same issues, each religion makes exclusive claims to truth that are incompatible with the other religions.

Specifically with regard to Christianity, while abuses have been perpetrated by some who claim to be Christian, on the whole, the works of charity and love practiced by Christians in obedience to their Christ have made significant positive impact in the societies in which they practiced these deeds. While this does not nullify the evil that has been done, it should, however, put it in perspective. The abuse of a few does not negate the positive impact of the many.

As a final point, I would like to clear up one more word that may not be appropriate, which is whether or not the prayer was “offensive.” I really can’t speak for Jessica on this one, but I get the impression that the major issue was not that the prayer was offensive. Rather, I *think* the better term might be exclusive.

Allow me to explain.

Imagine a plaque on the wall that has nothing more than a plain white background, a nice frame, and the following words:

“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.”

I don’t think this message would be met with much resistance, because it’s an especially profound quote and particularly applicable to a school setting. If, however, this was what the plaque had said, it would change the context significantly:

“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.” – Proverbs 18:15

Barring any especially mindful non-Christians that recognized the context of the first plaque, the difference is that the second one – to an outsider’s perspective – suggests exclusion.

It’s as though to agree with the second plaque one would also have to accept the source of the message, in which case many do not.

Now, you may argue – probably correctly – that this should not happen, as the message need not be exclusive in this way. However, this does not change the fact that many outsiders *will* feel excluded by it. The result is not the same as the intent.

Let’s draw another comparison to illustrate how this *might* affect you. Suppose there was another plaque we could choose from, which read as follows:

“Let us try to teach generosity and altruism.”

This is another example of a particularly profound and, I think, universally acceptable quotation. However, how does it alter its reception with the addition:

“Let us try to teach generosity and altruism.” – Richard Dawkins

How would you personally feel if this plaque, attributed to Dawkins, was placed on a public high school wall? Truthfully, it may not even bother you; you may be able to appreciate it simply for its elegance and the beauty of the message.

But perhaps you might be able to empathize a little better with the people that, I think rightly, would feel excluded by it, simply because of the associations it has with a very particular worldview.

In none of these cases is the issue that the message itself is offensive, nor is the issue with the message at all. Rather, it is always about a perceived sense of inclusion vs. exclusion, which is precisely why the First Amendment exists. That is, to prevent the government from showing any kind of preference (whether perceived or real, in my opinion) for any particular belief.

I hope that helps. Thanks again for the follow-up.

It does help and thanks for the discussion. Two last thoughts come to mind. We Christians are commanded to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). While you may disagree with the truth part, I hope that what I have written is in love, I am certainly not intending to cause offense. Secondly, we are commanded to give our answers with “gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15) which is also my intent. You have certainly responded in gentleness and respect; I appreciate the dialog.

Filed Under: Apologetics, Atheism Tagged With: apologetics, atheism, atheist, Religion

Homeland Security for the Church – The Need to Defend the Faith

Posted on January 10, 2012 Written by Mark McIntyre 3 Comments

For my generation and our progeny, the church cannot start from the Defend the faithposition that people want religion and are shopping around to determine what religion is right or best. We cannot take for granted that people in the community feel a need for God. The popularity of the writings of Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins is evidence enough of hostility in our culture toward God and religion.

The fact that acts of aggression are done in the name of religion does not increase receptiveness to Christianity. The church (using the term very loosely) does not have a perfect record in this regard. The Inquisition and the Crusades are often used as evidence of the danger of religion. Added to this are recent horrors perpetrated by followers of Islam. Homicidal bombers and terrorist pilots have murdered thousands of innocent people in the name of Allah.

In the face of all this, the church is still called to fulfill her mission. Jesus gave the church her marching orders as recorded in Matthew 28:18–20. We are called by Jesus to make disciples. Disciple making is the main verb and main thought of this commission. We make disciples by going, teaching and baptizing.

Because boomers are suspicious of religion, it is not enough for the church to know what we believe, it is now more important to know why we believe it. We not only need to know the truth, we need to understand why it is the truth and why Christianity offers the best explanation of man and his world.

We, as the church, must stand up to the false dichotomy between belief and reason that permeates western culture. This dichotomy is illustrated by a bumper sticker that a coworker proudly displayed saying, “If you don’t pray in my school, I won’t think in your church.” The implication is that there can be no overlap between thinking and believing.

Many churches do a fantastic job of teaching the Bible and how to live according to Biblical principles. Yet too often, believers are not trained in how to explain their belief to their neighbors. We often do a poor job of training our young people about how Christianity stands out in the marketplace of ideas and competing world views. Because we do not explain to our young people that there is a rational basis for belief in Jesus Christ, because we do not train them about the implications of belief or non-belief, because we do not prepare them to encounter hostility and pseudo-intellectualism, many of our young people fall away and reject Jesus Christ.

The Apostle Peter challenges us to

“sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence” (1 Peter 3:15 NASB)

We take national security very seriously. In response to the September 11 attacks, America developed an organization called the Department of Homeland Security. In the same way, the church should have a renewed interest in homeland security for the church. We are under attack, we have an enemy that wants to destroy us and we need to know how to respond.

This is a call to church leaders to train themselves to defend the faith and contend for the claims of Jesus Christ. We need to offer answers to those who are searching for them. The Sunday sermon, as important as it is, is not enough to sustain belief. Other opportunities for discussion and training need to be provided.

We also need to provide a forum for questioners to find answers. There are answers to the questions that they are asking, but too often the church shames them into silence.

If we do not raise up a generation of defenders of the faith, those of us in church leadership will one day have to give an answer to our Lord as to why we did not.

Question: What is your church doing to provide answers to hard questions and train people to defend their faith?

Filed Under: Bible Reflection, Christianity and Culture, Church Leadership Tagged With: Bible, Christ, Christianity, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Religion, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris

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